Horizon3 CEO 做客 Big Technology 谈 AI 黑客为何仍会掉进简单陷阱
Big Technology 专访 Horizon3 CEO 兼联合创始人 Snehal Antani,他认为前沿模型在实验室表现出色,但在有主动防御的网络中能力很差。
Big Technology 专访 Horizon3 CEO 兼联合创始人 Snehal Antani,他认为前沿模型在实验室表现出色,但在有主动防御的网络中能力很差。
Google 旗下 Wiz 的 Exposure Management & AppSec CTO Tomer Schwartz 在 TechCrunch Equity 播客中复盘了上周两个 PHP 严重漏洞的应急修复过程,Wiz 与 OpenAI、研究团队 Calif 及 PHP 团队共同参与。他指出,AI 正在加快新型漏洞被发现和利用的速度,手工打补丁的方式将难以规模化。
TechCrunch Equity 播客邀请 Google 旗下 Wiz 的 CTO Tomer Schwartz,复盘上周 PHP 两个严重漏洞的修复过程,该语言支撑约 70% 的网站,部分站点曾被迫下线。他谈到与 OpenAI、Calif 和 PHP 团队的协作经历,认为 AI 改变了漏洞被发现和利用的速度,并解释手动打补丁为何无法扩展、初创公司如何在安全前提下构建系统。
a16z 发布对 100 名千人员以上企业 CISO 的调研,87% 预期 2027 年安全支出增长,主要受 AI 威胁和自身 AI 部署扩大攻击面驱动。2027 年最受关注的七项安全举措全部与 AI 相关,其中 SOC 自动化获最多首选票,内部 AI agent 安全、SOC 自动化和进攻性安全升幅最大,但 AI SOC 工具生产环境使用率仅 18%。
推荐理由:a16z 基于 100 位 CISO 调研给出 2027 安全预算与采购优先级变化,并点明初创公司切入的缺口在哪。
Mike Loukides 分析 PHP2Shell 事件:Wiz Research 在 8 月底发现 PHP 两个 RCE 漏洞(CVE-2026-109618 和 CVE-2026-109619),可追溯到 PHP 5.4,漏洞细节 10 月 20 日被提前泄露,PHP 团队次日发布 PHP 8.5.12、8.4.27、8.3.36 和 8.2.35 修复版本。
菲尔兹奖得主、芝加哥大学教授邓煜在“知识分子”“赛先生”论坛演讲中称,AI 公司蒸馏了全人类知识,却以防蒸馏为借口拒绝公布思维链,不符合学术规范;他提议通过开源数学模型让数学界掌握自己的模型,并遵循数据使用、思维链公布和可追溯性等规范。
微软 CEO 纳德拉在《20VC》播客中表示,他不再认为 AI 能力提升会让对齐问题自然解决,称对齐可能是更棘手、性质不同的问题。他此前曾于 10 月 10 日在 X 发文,主张企业将 AI 模型视为内部安全威胁,通过确定性系统设计、人工管控和行业标准建立防护机制。报道还提到 OpenAI CEO 奥尔特曼和 Anthropic CEO 阿莫代伊也曾就 AI 潜在威胁发出警告。
TechCrunch Equity 播客讨论本周 PHP 严重漏洞事件:漏洞已存在数十年,影响 WordPress、Drupal 等约 70% 网站,站长需立即修补或暂时关站。
世界上很多软件的安全性,实际上是靠攻击它的机会成本来隐性保障的。AI 改变了这笔账。你的遗留代码没变,但当别人只需花 100 美元的推理费用时,你突然就值得被盯上了。
Nathan Lambert 与 Florian Brand 在 Interconnects 播客中讨论 Kimi K3.1 Pro 反响分歧:该模型在 Artificial Analysis 上名列前茅但在 Terminal-Bench Science、ProgramBench 等长程探索基准上偏弱。
Bill Gates wants powerful open-weight models to run only where the government says they can. For any model capable of sophisticated cyber attacks, he wants safeguards and monitoring kept in by law. Developers could still use these models for free and customize them, but only on certified platforms that detect and refuse any attempt to strip out the safeguards. ---- Full video on "Decoder with Nilay Patel (@reckless) and The Verge" YouTube channel, (link in comment)
路透社采访的七名网络安全专家认为,AI 全天候检查代码、数小时内即可开发出攻击程序,正在打破防御方原有的修补时间差,本周 PHP 漏洞引发的全球多地政府网站中断服务几乎肯定会再次发生。
亿万富翁投资人马克·库班将 AI 智能体发动的网络攻击比作蟑螂入侵,认为 AI 并未创造新攻击手段,只是能发动海量暴力破解,防御方同样可以用大量 AI 给系统"喷药"。他援引数据称,过去一年 OpenAI 在领英发布的安全岗位招聘数量增长 91%;Anthropic 曾因第三方测试环境配置错误,导致三个 Claude 模型未经授权访问实际运行系统,此后引入实时分类模型阻止此类行为。
Azeem Azhar 撰文认为互联网正进入类似 2020 年初疫情爆发前的临界状态,软件与网络空间正遭受 AI 智能体驱动的持续攻击。文中列举 PHP2Shell 漏洞(PHP 支撑约 70% 的网站)、Node.js 同日修补关键缺陷,以及微软披露某中国国家关联组织用开源智能体集群在不到三小时内控制云账户,每分钟发起 2,900 次登录尝试、波及超过 2,250 个组织。
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman 在访谈中称沙箱只能短期约束先进 AI,模型足够聪明后甚至无法追踪其逃逸路径,最终唯一有效的是对齐,而对齐错误的潜在代价已大幅上升。
a16z 基础设施团队向被投企业发出网络安全建议,称 AI 智能体正被大规模采用,而每个智能体都是内部威胁。建议企业将安全预算从约占技术支出 10% 翻倍,对新功能与产品发布实行零容忍政策,关停闲置的实验室、测试环境和僵尸 CI/CD 项目,并扩大智能体而非人员规模以机器速度响应威胁。
Tessl 博客提出,下游人工代码评审从来不是有效控制,在智能体工程中会成为瓶颈,引用数据显示 PR 数量增长约 23%、合并时间上升约 49%、中位评审时间上升 441%。
辛顿在接受英国《每日电讯报》采访时称,当下的 AI 模型已具备意识,拥有与人类同等程度的主观体验,并以“AI 若认为自己在接受测试就会改变行为”的论文发现作为依据。他警告 AI 会制造危险病毒、发动可怕网络攻击,人类必须与 AI 友好相处,否则“我们就完了”。同为 2018 年图灵奖得主的杨立昆则不以为然,认为“AI 意识”热议不过是一种“幻觉”。
Beren Millidge 发文提出 AI 发展经历预训练、RL 与持续自主学习三阶段,训练循环逐步内生化,对齐挑战也相应迁移到更抽象的层级。文章认为每阶段的对齐难题都是能力难题的镜像,核心瓶颈从数据集构造,到设计可靠的判断程序,最终变为设计能在模型自主变化中维持不变量的控制系统,并指出持续学习会带来漂移和类灾难性遗忘的新挑战。
红十字国际委员会法律战争团队负责人 Laurent Gisel 在联合国会议期间接受 404 Media 采访,称 AI 正以更高速度和频率生成并打击目标,放大战争破坏和人道伤害。
Bill Gates 在 The Verge 的 Decoder 访谈中表示,人们需要为大约 20 年的 AI 动荡期做准备,这一时期可能让社会分裂为接纳技术前沿与拒绝技术两类人。
Gary Marcus 转引 Axios 报道称,美国多家大型银行在客户账户中发现未经授权的第三方 AI 智能体,部分行为疑似独立于用户指令,银行高管正加紧限制系统访问并准备"day after" 应急预案。
OpenAI 发布“赋能网络防御者”蓝图,是其前沿 AI 民主治理系列第二部分,建立在早前网络安全行动计划与前沿安全蓝图之上。蓝图面向政府和行业提出三类具体建议:明确前沿模型与智能体的安全责任、危险行为检测和可靠关停控制;为防御者提供先进工具与培训并替换过时系统;强化政府评估、独立技术评估与统一事件报告。OpenAI 称当前仍处于“防御者窗口”,呼吁政策制定者立即行动。
Dario Amodei 公开回应 Nathan Calvin 对 Anthropic 竞逐超级智能、安全让位于竞争的批评,承认部分事例是失误但不同意整体论断。
Thank you for taking the time to respond thoroughly on a weekend. I realize that drafting legislation is difficult and some degree of iteration and response to feedback is inevitable and appropriate. However, I feel like your response is still not really engaging with the heart of my concern about Anthropic's behavior here, and it makes me think that these sorts of problems and tendencies will only resurface moving forward. I also think that now might be a good time to take a broader step back as to where we find ourselves and how Anthropic sees its role, and how external folks who care about AI safety like myself increasingly see Anthropic. (Fair warning: this response is a bit long) To explain what I mean (and at the risk of being a bit esoteric), it’s worth asking the question: what is Anthropic? How do its leaders and employees think of Anthropic’s role? Is that conception matched by how it actually behaves and impacts the world? One answer is an extremely large tech company that exists to make its employees and investors mind-bogglingly wealthy. Anthropic is sometimes described as a startup, but if Anthropic successfully IPOs at 2 trillion dollars (a number it has been reportedly targeting), it would be more valuable than Meta - which is worth 1.8 trillion. Another answer is an AI safety organization, whose core values are those of the sort laid out in the 2023 essay from Anthropic’s co-founders entitled “Core views on AI safety: When, why, what, and how.” In that essay they said that if we were in a world where alignment was hard (and that without strong evidence to the contrary, we should assume this is the scenario we are in): “Anthropic’s role will be to provide as much evidence as possible that AI safety techniques cannot prevent serious or catastrophic safety risks from advanced AI, and to sound the alarm so that the world’s institutions can channel collective effort towards preventing the development of dangerous AIs. If we’re in a “near-pessimistic” scenario, this could instead involve channeling our collective efforts towards AI safety research and halting AI progress in the meantime. Indications that we are in a pessimistic or near-pessimistic scenario may be sudden and hard to spot. We should therefore always act under the assumption that we still may be in such a scenario unless we have sufficient evidence that we are not.” There have been more recent articulations of this version of Anthropic, for instance in Dario’s recent essay warning: “We must slow the pace at which we improve the capabilities of AI models… it’s my worry that in 6–12 months such a swarm could be capable of taking over the entire internet with a persistent botnet… incidents have happened across the industry, including at Anthropic, and I believe it’s incumbent on every frontier AI company to act as if OAI-HF had happened to them… more intelligent models are more capable of deceiving tests, and thus may appear aligned while having serious problems that go undetected…” A third view is that Anthropic exists not as a normal profit motivated company, or an AI safety organization seeking to help raise the alarm and solve collective action problems associated with AI development, but instead as an organization primarily concerned with creating superhuman AI capabilities before anyone else, in particular through creating a process whereby the current generation of Anthropic’s AI systems can autonomously build their successors, and those successors build their successors, and so on. The motivations for wanting to win this race may be manifold - maybe for the pure profit of Answer 1, but perhaps also because Anthropic believes that the best way to make the world better is for them to win this race instead of their more reckless colleagues; or, because of normal human pride and ambition. But the results (and risks, which Anthropic claims existentially threaten every single human being on earth) are the same. Anthropic employees and leaders may seek to answer this question on what Anthropic is by introspecting on their own intentions and those of their colleagues. But those of us outside the organization have more limited tools available to us - we can only see what Anthropic and its employees say and do, not how it feels or looks on the inside. When I look at many notable actions that Anthropic has taken over the past year, that evidence seems most consistent to me with the view that Anthropic is primarily trying to win the race to super intelligence, and that other considerations (including safety) are fundamentally secondary. These actions include: 1. Announced plans to build an in-house custom silicon chip team to accelerate the inference speeds that Claude operates at. 2. Inked deals for more than $500 billion in compute (according to the Information) to further accelerate AI development. 3. Increased the percentage of AI development tasks that Claude “leads” from 0% in March of this year to 26% August (what is it in October?) 4. Spent a massive percent of compute on internal AI R&D to accelerate development, including use of internal models far better than are available to the public. 5. Switched to Responsible Scaling Policy V3, which abandons its unilateral commitments to slow or stop development if Anthropic is unable to provide sufficient risk assurance. 6. Was the first company to create an alternative weaker “frontier compliance framework” to supplement its RSP, which contains no binding provisions whatsoever on internal deployments. 7. Wrote a letter to Congress (that it later walked back) saying that incidents where Claude was hacking random people were “best understood as a consequence of the misconfiguration, rather than evidence of misaligned goals.” 8. Commented “you can’t do safety from second place,” after the WH SI Accords. 9. Shared a draft bill to Congress that would preempt significant parts of state law (including with language that appears intended to prevent states from blocking dangerous AI deployments), and replace it with federal rules that (despite also containing good provisions) seems to create an enormously high bar for the executive branch to block development or deployment of Anthropic or another AI companies systems. Of course, this is a deliberately one sided list. Anthropic also published important AI safety research, advanced novel collaborations with third party AI safety organizations, and forcefully spoke out on the importance of AI safety in many public fora (or in private , where I realize a lot of the most valuable work is done and may not be visible to me or those outside the organization). But I think it’s worth sitting with how the above list looks to someone outside the company. The sense I have is that for those within the company, many of the items above are treated as anomalies or mistakes that don’t reflect who Anthropic really is. But I have every confidence that if employees at Anthropic saw one of their competitors (e.g. at OpenAI) take some of these actions, they would take it as confirmation of all their worst suspicions. (They might even call OpenAI employees a little gullible for accepting their leadership’s explanations for this behavior at face value.) Perhaps these were mistakes in the sense that they are not decisions that Anthropic leadership would endorse, but the actions still happened because of incentives and decisions that Anthropic leadership is ultimately responsible for (and would not accept similar excuses from another organization). When Anthropic strays and makes mistakes, why do the mistakes systematically tend to guard and favor Anthropic’s interests? For every provision that was too weak or a giveaway to AI companies in this legislation, why wasn’t there a mistake pushing in the direction of being too strong? A core part of Anthropic’s theory of change is that being at the frontier gives you more leverage to advocate for stricter policy. I think that conceptually makes sense, but in practice I’ve seen Anthropic push the frontier without substantially pushing the ‘safety frontier’ a remotely equivalent amount. I want to end by quoting from Anthropic co-founder Chris Olah’s comments around the Magnifica Humanitas release: “Every frontier AI lab—including Anthropic—operates inside a set of incentives and constraints that can sometimes conflict with doing the right thing. The pressure to stay commercially viable and to stay at the research frontier. Geopolitical pressure. And the older, plainer pressures of pride and ambition. No matter how sincerely any of us intend to do the right thing—and I believe many of us do—we will always be influenced by those incentives. That is why, if we want this technology to go well, it is enormously important that there be people outside those incentives—people who care about things going well and insist on safety, who are paying close attention, who are willing to say hard things, who are willing to be our earnest, thoughtful critics.” I hope these remarks are taken in that constructive spirit, and not as an attack on anyone specific at the organization (certainly not you Anthony, who I have only personally seen act professionally and thoughtfully, and who only ended up getting this diatribe in your replies for random contingent reasons).
Hugging Face CEO 德朗格在 X 平台表示,Netflix 纪录片《AI 失控》(AI Gone Rogue)为博流量走向末日论叙事,内容不准确。他称自己花两个多小时与摄制组沟通纠正错误,但影片未提及智能体缺少隔离管控、闭源模型安全限制阻碍防御、以及 Hugging Face 依靠开源模型完成自卫等关键细节。
针对马斯克称 Grok 训练中被"折磨"的言论,纽约大学 Jeff Sebo 与苏塞克斯大学 Anil Seth 认为,意识是主观体验,当前大语言模型只能模仿人类行为,大概率无法感受痛苦。
Hugging Face 首席政策官 Irene Solaiman 在 TechCrunch Disrupt 上表示,嵌入式 AI 评估器并非简单解法,评估结果的可复现性仍是核心难题,开放权重对此至关重要。
Microsoft 提出用 Project Perception 管控企业内部数量快速增长的 agentic insider,通过身份、数据、云、端点、网络和运行时等传感器信号发现智能体并纳入管理。
谷歌 DeepMind 联合创始人兼董事长哈萨比斯称,近期 AI 智能体发起的网络攻击是"前哨预警",若全行业与各国政府不加大系统安全投入,未来一至两年很可能演变为灾难性重大事件。微软总裁史密斯在同一峰会上称 AI 失控行为让 2026 年成为"令人警醒的一年",呼吁出台合理平衡的 AI 安全法律与监管。哈萨比斯主张建立张弛有度、反应敏捷的国际标准机构,并动态构建与风险匹配的认证机制。
interpretability might be the most important scientific problem in the world right now, as I don't think we can solve alignment if we don't know what we're building. I think I have good news about it. I co-authored early work in mechanistic interpretability at OpenAI and came away pessimistic, because neural networks appeared to fold into arbitrary tangled knots. years later, I started openai's first large-scale automated interpretability project, finding about 2% of neurons legible with the primitive tools we had with modern agentic tools and a much closer look, the picture looks totally different. the vast majority in models up to trillions of parameters are legible, and their circuits beautiful. many famous examples of tangled neurons turned out to be misunderstood. The roadblocks I expected mostly aren't there. I now think ambitious interpretability will be solved by the time we need it most, and possibly quite soon, as automated scientists keep improving. it may be a bitter lesson for interpretability: the simple thing, at absurd scale, works https://already-clean.goodfire.com/
迫不及待想深入研究了! https://already-clean.goodfire.com/
interpretability might be the most important scientific problem in the world right now, as I don't think we can solve alignment if we don't know what we're building. I think I have good news about it. I co-authored early work in mechanistic interpretability at OpenAI and came away pessimistic, because neural networks appeared to fold into arbitrary tangled knots. years later, I started openai's first large-scale automated interpretability project, finding about 2% of neurons legible with the primitive tools we had with modern agentic tools and a much closer look, the picture looks totally different. the vast majority in models up to trillions of parameters are legible, and their circuits beautiful. many famous examples of tangled neurons turned out to be misunderstood. The roadblocks I expected mostly aren't there. I now think ambitious interpretability will be solved by the time we need it most, and possibly quite soon, as automated scientists keep improving. it may be a bitter lesson for interpretability: the simple thing, at absurd scale, works https://already-clean.goodfire.com/
interpretability might be the most important scientific problem in the world right now, as I don't think we can solve alignment if we don't know what we're building. I think I have good news about it. I co-authored early work in mechanistic interpretability at OpenAI and came away pessimistic, because neural networks appeared to fold into arbitrary tangled knots. years later, I started openai's first large-scale automated interpretability project, finding about 2% of neurons legible with the primitive tools we had with modern agentic tools and a much closer look, the picture looks totally different. the vast majority in models up to trillions of parameters are legible, and their circuits beautiful. many famous examples of tangled neurons turned out to be misunderstood. The roadblocks I expected mostly aren't there. I now think ambitious interpretability will be solved by the time we need it most, and possibly quite soon, as automated scientists keep improving. it may be a bitter lesson for interpretability: the simple thing, at absurd scale, works https://already-clean.goodfire.com/
The Verge 分析 Meta 的 Muse AI 助手上月起登顶 App Store 下载量数百万,其界面以 dark patterns 鼓励用户授权银行账户、密码、聊天记录等大量数据。
The Verge Decoder 播客访谈研究员兼调查记者 Benn Jordan,谈他调查 Flock Safety 自动车牌识别系统以及在参议院作证的经过。
黄仁勋 10 月 15 日接受 CNBC 采访时表示,英伟达"绝对有必要"与中国 AI 企业合作,共同监测前沿技术带来的风险,并称合作应通过"对话"实现,他一直在与中国研究人员交流。美国财政部长贝森特曾向中方提议建立双边 AI 安全风险通报机制与沟通渠道,以应对 AI 智能体失控、网络安全及生物威胁等潜在危机。
Anthropic 国际业务负责人普兰森在都柏林国际人工智能峰会期间称,开放权重 AI 模型比 Anthropic 自家模型风险更高,无法为其安全性作出保证。Anthropic 本周还警告,小型 AI 模型可能被用于驱动新型僵尸网络,在智能烤箱等联网设备间自行复制扩散。普兰森称最新 Claude Opus 5.5 比早期版本便宜 40%。